Experiences Of a Home Grower of Fresh Wheatgrass

greengiant · #1 10-13-2008, 12:25 AM

Hi to all that comes across this post.

I write this post because i hope that any people out there who are curious about growing at home or are unsure of whether it is worthwhile or too much hassle, or don't know where to look on this site for simple answers, will be able to ask a question, and maybe get some answers and support.

Before i go any further, i would appreciate if derek stem refrains from plugging his supplement here, as it causes too much disruption and this post relates to home growing only.

first i will explain my personal experience of why i came to use wheatgrass.

I was first introduced to what can only be described as a miracle whole food, while i lived in san francisco in the late 90's. Being an active fun loving party animal in my late 20's, my health started showing signs of the abuse it was receiving.

I worked hard and played even harder, which left little room in my busy schedule for such trivial things, such as food in general and sleep. i drank seven nights a week and shocking amounts to be honest.

I didn't really take stock of the rapid weight loss, muscle wastage, mood swings, my body was going through. i was living on pepcid 2 antacids which masked the chronic abdominal pain.

one day hungover as hell i had a work accident which needed hospital treatment, and received a reality check when there. my blood pressure was in line with an unhealthy 60 year old smokers. i had stomach ulcers, and was told in uncertain terms that i was really burning the candle at both ends.

i was given a treasure trove of pills to fix me up. something for the blood pressure, blood thinners, something for the side effects. in some ways i was feeling worse off, not least in the pocket.

i started buying smoothies with boosters, and noticed people buying these tiny shots of a disgusting dark green slime(my initial thoughts) and after an impressive sales pitch by the store owner, i gave it a go.

i closed my eyes and swallowed, and struggled to hold it down, mainly because i thought it looked terrible. the eyes rule the belly. within minutes i had stomach cramps and a sense that my body was being invaded by a monster.

the store owner reassured me that it was normal, and advised me to give it a month and to take it first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. theres less chance of throwing up if the stomach is empty, and the grass will be absorbed by the body in less than an hour.

i felt crap every time i took it for the first week, but after that the stomack cramps just stopped, i began to notice a sense of well being, which i can only describe as a spiritual high, my appetite returned, and my bowel movements returned to normal over a period of one month or so.

after my initial cleansing i never experienced any adverse reactions to the grass, but felt healthier each day. after a couple of months i had upped my usage to 4 oz shots twice or three times a day.

The one thing i noticed, was that although my movements were regular, my stools were distinctly heavy, which i assume was all the toxins being off loaded.
that remained the case for over two months.

People i knew started to pass comment on my glowing skin, shiny hair and general look good factor. I was living a healthier life on all fronts, and as such there are many factors to my looking healthy, but wheatgrass was the nucleus.
The living enzymes are the key factor in my opinion.

when i returned home to ireland i couldn't get wheatgrass, and stopped using.
over the next couple of years i could really appreciate what i was missing, as my body had to make do without this elixir which supplied all my nutrients in a balanced formula.

soon i found a health store with wheatgrass tablets, so i took them. they were better than nothing, but don't stand up to the real deal. when i eventually found a grower here, i had to go through the detox again, and the effects were more profound this time around. i even got a tingling sensation all over my body - especially the legs. then one day it was all over.

i was beginning to fear that it was the mold causing this, as i juicing my own and could see it, and didn't know anything about it. but it was just my body eliminating toxins through the skin.

i decided to try growing my own, to maybe control the mold and save on costs.
i will describe my experiences on growing in my next post. there were many times i felt like giving up, as i tried to get it right, but it was worth all the frustration.

goodnight and god bless.

Wheatenergy · #2 10-23-2008, 02:49 PM

Like to try your FRESH wheatgrass sometime.

Derek Stem · #3 11-04-2008, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greengiant

i closed my eyes and swallowed, and struggled to hold it down, mainly because i thought it looked terrible. the eyes rule the belly. within minutes i had stomach cramps and a sense that my body was being invaded by a monster.

the store owner reassured me that it was normal, and advised me to give it a month and to take it first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. theres less chance of throwing up if the stomach is empty, and the grass will be absorbed by the body in less than an hour.

i felt crap every time i took it for the first week, but after that the stomack cramps just stopped, i began to notice a sense of well being, which i can only describe as a spiritual high, my appetite returned, and my bowel movements returned to normal over a period of one month or so.

after my initial cleansing i never experienced any adverse reactions to the grass, but felt healthier each day. after a couple of months i had upped my usage to 4 oz shots twice or three times a day.

soon i found a health store with wheatgrass tablets, so i took them. they were better than nothing, but don't stand up to the real deal. when i eventually found a grower here, i had to go through the detox again, and the effects were more profound this time around. i even got a tingling sensation all over my body - especially the legs. then one day it was all over.

i was beginning to fear that it was the mold causing this, as i juicing my own and could see it, and didn't know anything about it. but it was just my body eliminating toxins through the skin.

Respectfully Greengiant, all of the reactions you describe are caused by molds and their release of mycotoxins. This problem is particularly prevalent in indoor tray growing wheatgrass and is a cause for concern.

There are over 400 known mycotoxins and depending on the grower and the environment there are many different levels of contamination. You can experience a wide range of results some of which may include nausea, headaches, dizziness and purging (vomiting). This variability is why your experience in the U.S. was so different from your experience in Ireland. You can read more about mycotoxins here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin

Wheatgrass grown outdoors straight from the field never produces negative reactions like these.

Because of this, those that are elderly, ill, pregnant, a nursing mother or a parent looking to supplement your children, be cautious in consuming wheatgrass juice and trust your taste buds and your instincts. Ensure that you have a clean source of wheatgrass juice and if you so choose, contact us as this is what we provide. If you are choosing to grow your own, look at the "Mold Pics" link to learn how to use your digital camera to spot problems.

I applaud your enthusiasm and your perseverance and congratulate you on your results.

Wheatenergy · #4 11-04-2008, 02:15 PM

They must have repossed your car....the economy is tough all over.

You are pitiching and spamming FROZEN PROCESSED garbage on a FRESH WHEATGRASS FORUM.....how DUMB is that!

I have fresh tray growers that supply New York City (4,000 pounds a week) and Atlanta Georgia (2,500 pounds a week)....The people in those two cities drink the FRESH wheatgrass and do not have a problem.

JUST BECAUSE >>>YOU cannot unloadyour PROCESSED FROZEN crap....try not SLANDERING tray grown wheatgrass....commercially or grown at someones home.....FRESH is the way to ENJOY WHEATGRASS....

NOT your PROCESSED FROZEN make believe stuff!

Get a life Mr. FREEZE (Flem). I know many Canadians think you are a JOKE >>>ALSO!

greengiant · #5 11-04-2008, 04:26 PM

Where do you get off. who are you to tell me what caused my detox effects. my system was as toxic as was possible. i really think you have some neck with your persistent put downs on fresh wheatgrass. just because you couldn't grow it, and i am pretty convinced that when you did grow tray grass it was as toxic as your comments. find somewhere else to pitch your crap. i don't see anyone else on this forum who must pitch his company with every post.

by the way, powdered - tablet form of wheatgrass is tray grown, but you don't hear of people having detox effects. the reason why that is, like your product, is no longer alive.

Derek Stem · #6 11-06-2008, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greengiant

Where do you get off. who are you to tell me what caused my detox effects. my system was as toxic as was possible. i really think you have some neck with your persistent put downs on fresh wheatgrass. just because you couldn't grow it, and i am pretty convinced that when you did grow tray grass it was as toxic as your comments. find somewhere else to pitch your crap. i don't see anyone else on this forum who must pitch his company with every post.

by the way, powdered - tablet form of wheatgrass is tray grown, but you don't hear of people having detox effects. the reason why that is, like your product, is no longer alive.

Here is why I think it important to correctly identify the source of your problem. Please read this link:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6084444AADMCN8

Quote:

I'm about 5 weeks pregnant, had some wheatgrass, now have severe cramps?

i had never had wheatgrass before but my cousin works an juice shack and told me all the prego's love it, so she brought me some.. within the hour i started not feeling good, a few hours later i could not stand up all the way because my stomach muscles are sooo tight..

i called poison control last night (this was all yesterday) and they said that something in wheatgrass could cause miscarriages.. great..

i have no health insurance, but was real close to going to the emergency room anyways..

Because of this, those that are elderly, ill, pregnant, a nursing mother or a parent looking to supplement your children, be cautious in consuming wheatgrass juice and trust your taste buds and your instincts. These problems never happen with our outdoor grown juice.

Incidentally, your comment regarding powdered and tablet forms of wheatgrass needs correction. These are virtually always grown outdoors, not in trays (with only very rare exceptions). In their case, the cut grass is dried (sometimes with heat, sometimes not) and then goes through a process called a hammer mill which powders it. Powder is then placed in large drums and stored underground. If stored properly, a powder should not produce negative side effects as it does not have issues with mold.

So the good thing about powders is no negative side effects from mold. The bad thing is that in our experience, people report very few positive side effects. This isn't to say none, it is just to say quite limited.

Read a little bit of the work of Joel Wallach. He is a very interesting man and does extensive research into mineral deficiency in both humans and animals. It is his belief that many chronic problems are caused by mineral deficiency and that the disappear with the proper application of minerals.

Wheatgrass powder does contain minerals (and may be helpful to some for certain things) but oxidation will take away most of the organics reducing the overall response rate considerably.

Wheatenergy · #7 11-06-2008, 04:12 PM

Fresh wheatgrass juice is 100% non toxic and should not have provided a pregnant woman with discomfort.

Unless of course she was loaded with toxic materials in her body.

I spoke at a Church function (health fair) years ago...and there were 2 pregnant women there....both drank the fresh wheatgrass juice...one did go to the bathroom and purge....the other did not.

Mr. Flem what you are NOT explaning to people is that your FROZEN SUPPLIMENTAL PROCESSED PRODUCT does not really provide the Cleansing ...healing rejuvination or ENERGY that the FRESH wheatgrass juice does.

Your product is like buying a car without and engine.

BUT you sure like to go to the bank with YOUR profits.

Stay in Canada and cut and paste your info on Canadian websites.... Man are you GREEDY & Lazy!

Derek Stem · #8 11-06-2008, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheatenergy

I spoke at a Church function (health fair) years ago...and there were 2 pregnant women there....both drank the fresh wheatgrass juice...one did go to the bathroom and purge....the other did not.

Are you out of your mind.

Are you so completely blinded by your ego that you cannot see the simple facts in front of your eyes. You had a pregnant woman drink a mycotoxin laden drink that made her vomit and you blame her. Your wife couldn't drink your juice and you blame her. This woman has a similar reaction and you blame her.

If you look at mycotoxins (poisons released by mold / fungi) you would understand that irregular responses are the cornerstone of mycotoxins. When the same mycotoxin is consumed by several people, the range of responses can go from nothing to hospitalization.

Your choice to ignore this issue is morally reprehensible and you should be put out of business.

What are you going to do the next time a pregnant woman expresses interest in your juice?

Wheatenergy · #9 11-07-2008, 04:07 AM

to patronize the FACT that your FROZEN SUPPLIMENTAL PROCESSED wheatgrass juice is a very dead food that does not and ever will perform like fresh wheatgrass juice.

Mr Flem YOU could not sell GREASEPAINT at a CLOWN Convention!

Let alone you preaching how you care about CUREING people whop are suferring......Your juice is only dead supplimental.

Live & Fresh is the way to get conected to wheatgrass juice!

Derek Stem · #10 11-07-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheatenergy

to patronize the FACT that your FROZEN SUPPLIMENTAL PROCESSED wheatgrass juice is a very dead food that does not and ever will perform like fresh wheatgrass juice.

Mr Flem YOU could not sell GREASEPAINT at a CLOWN Convention!

Let alone you preaching how you care about CUREING people whop are suferring......Your juice is only dead supplimental.

Live & Fresh is the way to get conected to wheatgrass juice!

If you wish to engage in open and respectful discussion, perhaps you should begin by calling me by my given name.

I hereby serve notice to you that you have been given the knowledge that wheatgrass juice with molds and mycotoxins makes users sick. If you choose to serve wheatgrass juice that makes people sick you are criminally liable for your actions. For anyone reading posts related to this particular individual known as wheatenergy, also known as Frank Drelich, also known as http://www.drelichwheatgrass.com you should be aware that he posseses this knowledge.

greengiant · #11 11-07-2008, 05:12 PM

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Wheatenergy · #12 11-07-2008, 06:43 PM

You are PATHETIC!

SPAMMING this fresh wheatgrass site now for over a month while your frozen wheatgrass business is failing....because it is DEAD FOOD!.

EVEN your Canadians brother & sisters will not buy it because it is DEAD FOOD!

FRESH is best ...and that is why the people(over 6,o00 of them are on this Forum) you must have poop for brains knowing that you are NOT welcome here but you stay and spam anyway.

AGAIN>>>YOU are Pathetic.

FRESH is not supplimental.....FROZEN PROCESSED SUPPLIMENTAL JUICE belongs in the garbage,,,period. Serve yourself notice on that ,......MR.FLEM!

Wheatenergy · #13 11-07-2008, 11:55 PM

With all the SLANDER and LIES that Mr Erick Flem puts out to our FRESH wheatgrass users on this website.....I think the word DYNAMIC refers to his BUTTHOLE!

He is BOUND to go out of business because of his Evil slandering AND spamming.

It is a shame that he was dragged up instead of brought up by his parents...I would have to give some of the blame for his ignorance at this point in time....to them.

No one could be as lame and DUMB with out help!

Fresh is good live food!

Frozen is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dead food.

PS> REMEMBER Mr FREEZE>>>>This website is devoted to fresh wheatgrass....The same fresh wheatgrass that has been around for hundreds of years!

Take a HIKE!

Wheatenergy · #14 11-09-2008, 02:12 PM

Are'nt there very many tray grown wheatgrass commercial growers in Canada???

Although there is plenty of sunlight all year round.

The sun is not very intense in that region of the world.

Artificial light(grow lights) will promtoe the growth but the "chi" or energy level of the fresh wheatgrass does not get strong enough.

Harley Matzel in New York City produce for consuption well over 4,000 pounds of FRESH whaetgrass each week for that area of our country.

Ben Castle produces over 2,500 pounds of FRESH wheatgrass for the Atlanta Georgia area!

I must believe after seeing spam after spam from a company called Dynamic Greens here on this fresh wheatgrass forum that the WORLD economy has affected their business to the point of slandering FRESH wheatgrass and trying to cause doubt in the minds of people (some of which eat out of dumpsters and are taking an aray of man made medications in the first place).

To look at the FROZEN inferior wheatgrass that you defrost....AS A QUICK FIX!

As we all know///FRESH is alive and the only TRUE way to injest wheatgrass juice...

Cleanseing...healing....rejuvination>>>>

And ENERGY , stamina and increased FOCUS!

STEVE MERYOWITZ>>>Does not sell FROZEN sprouts....that I know of.

And Ann Wigmore never said to grow your wheatgrass outside....

AND THEN FREEZE IT!...and juice it later!

Wake up....Mr. Flem

:multicoloraark :

Derek Stem · #15 11-12-2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheatenergy

I spoke at a Church function (health fair) years ago...and there were 2 pregnant women there....both drank the fresh wheatgrass juice...one did go to the bathroom and purge....the other did not.

http://www.ewheatgrass.com/wheatgras...924-post7.html

Please view information you read from this user with the appropriate amount of caution.

The unfortunate reality in the wheatgrass juice world is that many growing environments are unsuitable and promote mold growth. When molds are present, they can cause adverse reactions. In our experience, the reaction that you read above is most likely caused by molds releasing something called mycotoxins. Mycotoxins are known to be particularly unusual as the reactions vary widely from individual to individual. This particular forum member has been aware of this type of problem since 2003 (see the link below) and formulated a response claiming them to be non-pathenogenic that you can read in detail on this page:
http://www.cityfarmer.org/wheatgrass

I have served notice to this user that they have been given the knowledge that wheatgrass juice with molds and mycotoxins makes users sick. If they choose to serve wheatgrass juice that makes people sick, they are criminally liable for failing to heed this warning. This individual is a commercial grower and is known as wheatenergy, also known as Frank Drelich, also known as http://www.drelichwheatgrass.com. You should be aware that he posseses this knowledge.

Wheatenergy · #16 11-12-2008, 03:14 PM

Mr Flem...you are like VOMIT!

I do not have a MOLD problem.

I purify and filter my DEEP Well water for many years here.....

And create fresh wheatgrass EVERYweek...not just a once a years cut and freeze operation such as yours.

You are a PARASITE.

Everyone here knows your failing business can NEVER compete with FRESH!

1.john.1 · #17 07-03-2009, 08:19 AM

Growing wheatgrass is not difficult once you know what your doing. Its like a house plant that simply needs watering once you do the planting and preparation.There are "Wheatgrass Kits" available with full instruction on this very subject and you´ll want to find one that comes complete with everything mentioned in these quotes to be sure your grass comes up bright green and beautiful!

Galvin · #18 03-22-2011, 08:00 AM

Hi,
Wheatgrass is also used in capsules and also in medicines ....
It works as to reduce appetite and this way also works to lose weight....

tyureklitr · #19 04-05-2011, 11:46 AM

Wheatgrass is a plant grown from the Red Wheatberry that is moving to the top of the nutritional tree. It's an incredible health elixir. It is easy to do environmental damage to our bodies, contaminating it with pollutants, poor food choices.

jollybriston · #20 05-12-2011, 01:05 PM

Chlorophyll has been shown to build red blood cells quickly, normalise blood pressure by dilating the blood pathways though out the body. Simple soak your wheatgrass seeds overnight to get the germination process rolling, then spread the seeds over a potting tray with an inch of compost in the bottom.

maryytriker · #21 06-21-2011, 11:06 AM

Perfect Foods is the original creator of frozen wheatgrass juice. Wheat grass is commonly grown in homes across the US and liquefied in blenders to create a drink. By all accounts, wheat grass shakes.

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jerrycorock · #23 09-05-2011, 08:40 PM

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pixaafo · #24 09-23-2011, 10:30 AM

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jeffreyjoys · #25 10-11-2011, 07:04 PM

Hydroponics is a simple method of growing plants without soil. Helps save space gardening is cheaper and is especially beneficial for many reasons. Hydroponics growing method helps performance, requires less space and is both efficient and environmentally friendly.

watsonavin · #26 10-15-2011, 10:06 AM

There are "Wheatgrass kits" available with full instructions on this very subject and you'll want to find one that comes complete with everything mentioned in the quotes to make sure your lawn gets up bright green and beautiful!

avildrio · #27 10-20-2011, 12:04 AM

Wheatgrass Powder contain minerals , but oxidation will remove most organic matter to reduce the overall response rate considerably.

stephencollines · #28 11-19-2011, 07:42 PM

Growing wheatgrass is not difficult once you know what you do. It's like a house plant that needs watering just once you do the planting and preparation.There are "Wheatgrass Kits" available with the full trial on the same subject and you'll want to find one that comes complete with everything listed in these citations sure your lawn gets up bright green and beautiful!

baconjacke · #29 01-20-2012, 02:16 PM

Simple absorb your wheatgrass seeds brief to get the formation action rolling, again advance the seeds over a potting tray with an inch of admixture in the bottom.

reedemallindias · #30 02-06-2012, 05:22 AM

Wheat grass has a lot of chlorophyll like other dark green grasses and dark vegetables. Wheatgrass growers also have a huge problem with mold which no-one else mentioned until I brought it out in the open.

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