Frozen Wheatgrass Juice

herbhusband · #61 10-24-2009, 03:35 PM

I have been buying my wheatgrass juice from the "florida herb house" for the last 5 years and I have not been sick once. I had diabetes which has all but gone away and feel great. I credit this a LOT to my wheatgrass diet.

LK

herbhusband · #62 10-24-2009, 03:38 PM

You can get the ready to use wheatgrass juice powder, simple wheatgrass powder and I hear for 2010 they will be making their own wheatgrass juice to ship frozen. The web address is SharpWebLabs dot com and FloridaHerbHouse dot com. I found them buy driving by their store in Port Orange, Florida one day.

LK

CH77 · #63 12-04-2009, 02:54 AM

Just found this thread looking for info. my 2 cents:

Look this Derek dude is a salesman, internet marketer, etc. so I get it regarding his posts and such. At least the company is being proactive about information.

Derek, greengiant has asked very specific questions that I think are very relevant and important.

1. How long from the time the grass is harvested (i.e. cut/taken from the earth) to the time the grass is cleaned and juiced.

2. how long is the frozen juice kept/retained before it is sent to the customers. So if I bought your juice would I be getting juice that was frozen 3 or 6 months old or 1,2,3 years etc.

Very plain, straightforward, and easy questions to answer.

And Derek - don't even think about reposting/pasting the stuff about mold, the point from AFTER the juice is created to when it's flash frozen, etc. I CAN READ THE OTHER POSTS - I GET IT - REPOSTING IT IS MEANINGLESS and quite frankly very annoying.

Two very simple questions - very simple answers.

Please answer these two questions - WITHOUT ANY OTHER REPOSTING OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID.

Thanks.

BTW - someone really needs to some cleanup on this SPAM-A-LOT forum

Derek Stem · #64 12-07-2009, 08:07 AM

Hi CH77,

Thank you for your question.

Just a quick note about your marketing comment...we are a family farm and I'm a family member. The farm developed into a wheatgrass juice business out of necessity. The juice was so effective for our family, friends and greater community around us, it became popular, came under heavy demand and we have built the methods to supply it. Yes, we are trying to deliver marketing messages but for all the right reasons. The primary thing we want to fix is: why is this incredible food not universally revered (it deserves to be). We know the root cause of the problem which is that many sources produce bad experiences and people can't benefit from it if they can't tolerate it.

Let's answer your questions fully with a little extra information that puts things in context:

Cut to juice time

maximum 1.5 hours from the first blade cut to the last blade of grass juiced
of particular note, the cut process does not bruise the grass, we use small harvesting vehicles, waiting grass is held under a canopy and thoroughly doused with ice cold deep well water, in addition, the grass being washed and juiced is also shaded
I can tell you that the wheatgrass is crisp and in superb condition when juiced

Oxidation exposure after juicing

completely non-existent
the wheatgrass enters a closed, oxygen free system, when juiced, it is not possible for it to oxidize
the juice is also vacuum packed and the package features 100% barrier protection to air

Time to market

we harvest during the natural seasons in both the spring (May) and fall (October)
juice is shipped from the most recent harvest, for instance, all juice shipped now is from our fall harvest
the gap ranges from 1 day to 8 months, more important, there are good reasons why all of this juice is equally fresh and potent
of particular note, freezer storage temperatures are important, colder is better, our freezers run at -15F to -20F, packaging quality is critical and ours is superb
as freezing is such an effective form of preservation, we are entitled to put a 3 year expiry on the juice; however, we plan harvest to harvest, not on longterm juice lifecycles
if anyone would like validation that frozen foods are superb (maintained nutrition, enzymes, etc.), the U.S. Department Of Agriculture provides that information here:
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FactSheets/...zing/index.asp

We're always up for a good discussion. Feel free to get in touch and I hope you get a chance to enjoy our juice.

CH77 · #65 12-14-2009, 11:08 PM

Derek, thanks very much for the straightforward answer - really appreciate it. Sorry - didn't mean to "cut" on you or anything but internet marketing stuff is so pervasive and at times "spammy" if you know what I mean - no offense.

Personally - I don't have a problem with frozen wheatgrass at all - especially based on your answers. Is fresh wheatgrass "better" - probably. How much better - slightly? Quite frankly I'm so friggin busy and having something convenient that's "almost" fresh is certainly good enough for me.

You might want to do a video on these two questions - I bet other people are wondering as well.

Thanks very much for the candid reply and I plan on trying your product.

Derek Stem · #66 12-22-2009, 10:47 AM

Thanks CH77.

I hope you do try it, you'll love it. We will also take your advice and make a video on this topic. We wear so many hats these days that this just hasn't hit the top of the priority list so you may need to wait a while on this one!

MacGuffin · #67 03-21-2010, 04:22 AM

By way of introduction, I happened upon this forum quite by accident while looking for something else entirely. However, I grow my own Kamut in trays indoors for juice and in fact, having been juicing seriously (I have a Norwalk, although I don't usually use it for grass) since 1988. Given that I have some experience in this area, not to mention several years of undergraduate science (more than is necessary for this discussion--high school would suffice) under my belt, there are a few issues I'd like to address.
First, the notion that frozen produce is dead is absolute hokum; it's often more healthful, and healthy, than fresh. Why? because commercially processed frozen produce is picked at its peak and frozen very quickly thereafter. It's in much better shape nutritionally than produce that has been picked, shipped to a grocer, and then allowed to sit until it's purchased. Can frozen produce be juiced? Usually not, because the cell walls lyse and once thawed it's too mushy to juice (it is, however, great for smoothies and such). Can the quality of frozen produce deteriorate over time? Yes, but not as quickly as fresh. Regardless, freezing does NOT render produce nutritionally null and void.
As to "living enzymes," enzymes catalyze chemical reactions and are NOT alive and therefore cannot be killed. They can be altered and/or destroyed but you can't kill something that's not alive. For instance, lactose-intolerant individuals lack the enzyme lactase that converts lactose into other sugars; oral ingestion of lactase--WHICH IS NOT ALIVE--solves the problem.
Not everyone can grow their own cereal grasses for juice. Growing my own in my cat-infested, north-facing apartment requires more attention than many people would be willing to undertake and I truly believe that grass grown slowly outdoors probably has nutritional benefits greater than that of my indoor-grown grass (it probably tastes better, too). But it's cheaper for me to grow my own and I like to juice. I should also mention that there are times when I have to cut and freeze my grass if I can't juice it quickly enough; I can juice it frozen but it's just a mess if I allow it to thaw first.
Someone posted that they'd found frozen wheat grass juice at Whole Foods and asked about it. The producers seems to have responded; how exactly is that an instance of "spamming." Greengiant, every one of your posts is what I'd call a rant and I don't recall any of them citing actual science. Frankly, if I didn't already juice the stuff, I'd avoid it on the basis of its attracting advocates like you. Fortunately, I know better. And yes, I think frozen juice is better than none at all. "Frozen" and "dead" are NOT equivalent, either linguistically OR nutritionally. Sorry for sounding harsh, especially in my first post, but pseudoscience and substituting dogma for rational discourse have that effect on me.

joe1966 · #68 03-28-2010, 11:28 PM

I want to first off thank everyone who takes the time to post on this forum. There may be som dissagreement about each persons motives, but it is all informative in one way or another. After reading this forum to date I have concluded that fresh, non moldy grass is best. Probably grown outdoor in good soil slightly better than being grown in a tray in good soil. I believe that flash frozen is better than none at all. Let's face it folks, in todays world, everyone wont take the time to grow thier own. They will find time to do other, less important time consuming things, but that is thier choice. everything in life is a tradeoff. If people want to sacrifice product quality and health for time, that is thier chioce. Personally I have done a lot of that in my life and realize what is important now. Thankfully I'm not sick, but realize now that health is wealth!! I will try to find a local grower as a supply. I will learn all I can about growing and eventually grow my own. I am hoping with the help of others I can learn to grow as mold free as possible. I think I will get my 83 year old father and myself some frozen just to get us started until I find a grower with quality product or get my own crop going. The passion that all growers on this site have is incredible, it is good to question what others say, but if you make yourself look bad in the process of disproving what they say, you negate your own victory. You will only turn people away from wheatgrass juice with childish bickering. I will be back in the future with questions about growing a crop for personal use. Thank you all !!!!

irishwheatgrass · #69 04-06-2010, 12:15 PM

I would definitely stick to fresh wheatgrass over frozen or powder any day of the week. Even the difference between buying wheatgrass and juicing it compared with growing my own, phew it nearly knocked the socks off me.. the smell, the taste, so fresh - it was overpowering.

You won't get the same processing it for later.

Derek Stem · #70 04-12-2010, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishwheatgrass

I would definitely stick to fresh wheatgrass over frozen or powder any day of the week. Even the difference between buying wheatgrass and juicing it compared with growing my own, phew it nearly knocked the socks off me.. the smell, the taste, so fresh - it was overpowering.

You won't get the same processing it for later.

Hi IrishWheatgrass,

If you look at the empirical evidence (objective, measurable and repeatable) around frozen foods, you will discover that the USDA has a differing opinion which you can find here: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FactSheets/...zing/index.asp

I do think that your thoughts about powders are accurate. More specifically, the processing destroys the organics although the inorganics like minerals are maintained which can provide some limited benefits. In addition, picked spinach (the closest food tested to wheatgrass) actually loses 76% of its vitamin C in just 48 hours after picking. This makes something like cut-grass that it bagged and refrigerated likely to be severely compromised.

Here is the big challenge. For most growers, "fresh" means removing the plant from its natural environment and growing it in shallow trays. In contrast, "flash frozen" allows for field growing in a natural environment and on a natural timeline. We have grown both in trays and outdoors in seeking health benefits for our family. Both tray and outdoor methods produce health benefits but the tray grown grasses get moldy, even with extremely diligent growers and the juice is very hard to drink. The field grown grasses never have mold issues, are easy to drink and people can use large amounts over long periods of time. The result is that the flash frozen juice is much more effective because of its tolerability. There is a little more to this (like how outdoor plants develop more phytonutrients) but that is for another discussion.

MikeA · #71 05-13-2010, 03:05 AM

I'm just a 3rd party reader here, but by the tone of this thread I'm sure someone will accuse me of working for Mr. Stem. In reality I'm a salesman of laboratory instrumentation (a biochemical engineer by education) and feel that I have to chime in.

First, I'm new to wheatgrass (have been drinking it for a couple of weeks). When I asked the juice bar for my first cup they thought I was crazy because I wanted 4oz. I drank it with no ill effects (my guess is that I'm not sensitive to mold, or that the grass they used had no mold). In the two weeks of drinking 2 oz a day I have yet to experience this detox effect; making me think that it's more likely that molds are the reason some people don't tolerate this well.

I must also say, that regardless of Mr. Stem’s motives, he has presented a calm, informative, and factual argument. There's room enough on the planet for both frozen and fresh wheatgrass. It's almost like those responding to Mr. Stem have more of a political motive and hatred of Capitalism than they do of frozen wheatgrass.

Lastly, let me chime in from 30+ years of experience in the field of biochemistry. One response to Mr. Stem is that freezing "kills' the food. My friends, the simple act of harvesting kills the food - freezing merely helps preserve the freshly killed state (which is critical with something that seems to oxidize so rapidly). Furthermore, while freezing can denature certain enzymes, most are preserved in the freezing process. Overall the biggest threat to enzymes is heat not cold (this is why people are often put in an ice bath when their temperature exceeds 104 degrees F - because the heat would destroy catalyzing enzymes necessary to support life, however, the ice bath does not). One final note, Walt Disney was not frozen he was buried. The rumor about Disney occurred because the first freezing of a deceased human happened near the time of his death - but freezing humans is a subject for another thread.

So far I've only consumed fresh wheatgrass but I'm keeping an open mind and may just decide to try the frozen variety. Perhaps that would be a mistake, but those against the frozen variety would have a far more credible argument if they calmly explained their case with facts rather than by name calling.

MikeA · #72 05-13-2010, 03:36 AM

I'm considering frozen wheatgrass juice but am concerned about the oxidation that would occur when defrosting the product. What defrost methods do you recommend and how long do they take?

phairlady13 · #73 05-14-2010, 12:11 AM

I have been buying the frozen wheatgrass from canada...but on the box it says there are barely any nutrients in it..nothing at all for the B vitamins. I thought wheatgrass was super rich in these nutrients...What gives?

phairlady13 · #74 05-14-2010, 02:08 AM

I just finished reading the rest of the posts! Man oh Man, I think The Green Giant needs some frozen wheat grass cause that fresh stuff he's drinking has got him in a foul mood, and wheat energy? He could use something for mental clarity...Lmao Thank you Derek Stem for being patient with the boys and sticking around so those of us who are looking for some information can get it.

Derek Stem · #75 05-17-2010, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeA

I'm considering frozen wheatgrass juice but am concerned about the oxidation that would occur when defrosting the product. What defrost methods do you recommend and how long do they take?

Hi Mike,

This video shows how you remove and use the juice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJbbz...layer_embedded

What you do is add a couple of cubes to a glass and then add 3 x the amount of water at room temperature and stir. The water does 4 things. First, it covers the juice reducing any surface area for oxidation. Second, it speeds the thaw (it you stirred constantly it would fully thaw in under 2 minutes). Third, it smooths out the taste particularly reducing any finishing bitterness. Forth, it reduces the cold to just cool as some do not like cold drinks.

It does work well. I hope you try it.

Derek Stem · #76 05-17-2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phairlady13

I have been buying the frozen wheatgrass from canada...but on the box it says there are barely any nutrients in it..nothing at all for the B vitamins. I thought wheatgrass was super rich in these nutrients...What gives?

Hi Phairlady,

The information on packaging is called a Nutrition Facts Table (NFT). NFT's have very specific testing groups which include 31 items. Of these, about half are things you don't want like calories, sodium, sugars, fats, etc. and about half are things do want like vitamins, minerals, etc.

Here is a link to our last NFT test so you can see what they contain:
http://www.dynamicgreens.com/nft.html

The intention in this testing is to look only at what are considered non-volatile nutrients. The goal is to set a common set of guidelines that allows you to compare disparate products. The problem is that it makes the contents of a box of cereal look better than having an apple (or a glass of wheatgrass juice).

The NFT does not look at B vitamins at all. Additional testing is very expensive and not done by most companies including us. There are also thousands of volatile nutritients than cannot be measured which makes the NFT quite mis-leading. Brian Clement of Hippocrates Institute talks about looking at foods with a focus they call HOPE. Foods high in HOPE are powerful and produce measurable and repeatable results. HOPE stands for naturally occuring plant Hormones, ability to carry Oxygen, high Phytonutrient levels and Enzymes. With a little luck, one day we might see a HOPE scale which better emphasizes the living power in foods.

I will make one other quick note. I hope you try our juice. We know the product you are using well and we make far better juice. Specifically, you will find our packaging better (no air pockets on the cube bottoms and no browning) and our nutritional density is much higher.

Have a great day!

MikeA · #77 05-17-2010, 11:43 AM

OUTSIDE VERSUS INSIDE
OK, since my last post I've done quite a bit of research on wheatgrass and have tried the frozen variety. First, the health food store where I get my fresh juiced wheatgrass uses organic grass grown outside in fields local to my area - this is why I didn't have a detox effect (no mold). I like this because my research shows that inside grass (grown over only ten days) does not have the value of grass grown outside in soil (apparently, besides chlorophyll, the wheatgrass is also very efficient at moving trace minerals from the soil to the blade - no soil then no trace minerals). So my feeling is that if I'm going to drink wheatgrass it had better be from outside. The healthfood store keeps the grass refrigerated and it comes in every three days.

NUTRITIONAL VALUE
I've always heard that wheatgrass is high in B-vitamins and was thinking of eliminating b-vitamins from my supplements if I was going to consume wheatgrass each day. However, it turns out that wheatgrass is no high in b-vitamins at all. In fact there's no official nutritional value (other than iron and vitamin C). However, you can't argue with results - since drinking I have a lot more energy and a balanced feeling of well being. This is probably due more to the chlorophyll, enzymes, amino acids and trace elements.

FROZEN WHEATGRASS
To be fair, I have not yet tried Derek's product but instead picked up a package of "Evergreen" frozen wheatgrass; which is also grown outdoors and flash frozen. Quite honestly it didn't do it for me. The taste was not the sweet grassy taste of the fresh stuff, but instead an "old" slightly bitter and chalky taste. Throughout the day I didn't get the boost I usually get with the fresh stuff (but I still felt more energetic than if I didn't drink any at all). So, since my health food store (which is only two minutes away from where I live and on the way to work) is so convenient in that I can easily get fresh juice every day the only other factor that would turn me to using frozen would be cost. However, the cost of frozen is nearly as much as the fresh stuff (20 - 0.6 oz servings = $16). I drink 2 oz/day which equates to $3.20 per 2 oz serving of frozen. My health food store charges $4.00 per 2 oz serving of fresh. In the end, I'd rather pay the extra $0.80 per day for something that I enjoy drinking.

Derek Stem · #78 05-20-2010, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeA

OUTSIDE VERSUS INSIDE
OK, since my last post I've done quite a bit of research on wheatgrass and have tried the frozen variety. First, the health food store where I get my fresh juiced wheatgrass uses organic grass grown outside in fields local to my area - this is why I didn't have a detox effect (no mold). I like this because my research shows that inside grass (grown over only ten days) does not have the value of grass grown outside in soil (apparently, besides chlorophyll, the wheatgrass is also very efficient at moving trace minerals from the soil to the blade - no soil then no trace minerals). So my feeling is that if I'm going to drink wheatgrass it had better be from outside. The healthfood store keeps the grass refrigerated and it comes in every three days.

NUTRITIONAL VALUE
I've always heard that wheatgrass is high in B-vitamins and was thinking of eliminating b-vitamins from my supplements if I was going to consume wheatgrass each day. However, it turns out that wheatgrass is no high in b-vitamins at all. In fact there's no official nutritional value (other than iron and vitamin C). However, you can't argue with results - since drinking I have a lot more energy and a balanced feeling of well being. This is probably due more to the chlorophyll, enzymes, amino acids and trace elements.

FROZEN WHEATGRASS
To be fair, I have not yet tried Derek's product but instead picked up a package of "Evergreen" frozen wheatgrass; which is also grown outdoors and flash frozen. Quite honestly it didn't do it for me. The taste was not the sweet grassy taste of the fresh stuff, but instead an "old" slightly bitter and chalky taste. Throughout the day I didn't get the boost I usually get with the fresh stuff (but I still felt more energetic than if I didn't drink any at all). So, since my health food store (which is only two minutes away from where I live and on the way to work) is so convenient in that I can easily get fresh juice every day the only other factor that would turn me to using frozen would be cost. However, the cost of frozen is nearly as much as the fresh stuff (20 - 0.6 oz servings = $16). I drink 2 oz/day which equates to $3.20 per 2 oz serving of frozen. My health food store charges $4.00 per 2 oz serving of fresh. In the end, I'd rather pay the extra $0.80 per day for something that I enjoy drinking.

Great post Mike and it brings up a few interesting discussion points.

The first one is the nutritionals. There are a variety of pieces of mis-information in the wheatgrass world. One of those is that wheatgrass contains the equivalent nutrition to 2 1/2 pounds of leafy greens. This just isn't accurate. At the same time, people using the juice consistently have great results. The results you describe are subjective (how I feel); however, even more exciting is that objective results (quantifiable measurements) consistently respond extremely well. So it is an area where you need to trust your instincts and your measurements and you should be thrilled with both.

The second is the Evergreen juice. Your observations about it are correct and I appreciate you noting that this was not our juice. Look at the ingredients on the Evergreen box and you will see them as "cereal grass" rather than wheatgrass. They have started blending in rye grass. The juice density does not compare to ours and the packaging has air space in it that permits oxidation. The freezing process is not the issue, rather it is the juice itself and the packaging that contains it. If you tried our juice, you would have a completely different experience.

The third is that if you've got something that works, great! Not all approaches fit all people. You are getting great juice without any mold issues, you feel great and you enjoy it! Perfect. If in the future, if the quality of the supply changes, you decide to do it twice a day or want to get great juice and save a little money too...look us up.

MikeA · #79 05-21-2010, 01:22 PM

Derek,

Thanks for the reply. First of all you are correct, the Evergreen product does say wheatgrass and "cereal grasses" which raised my suspicions that they were using fillers (to be honest I was hoping to get a reply from you addressing that very issue). The fresh grass I get definitely doesn't have mold, my son tried his first 2oz shot yesterday and before I could stop him he downed the entire thing like a shot of whiskey with no ill effects. Even though I decided to use the fresh stuff (simply because it is close and convenient) I will still try your product as I'm told that the wheatgrass isn't available year around. So I'd like to have the frozen grass around as a substitute. Also, I feel there's a place for your product with others that don't have store nearby that can provide them with good quality wheatgrass (and in my opinion frozen grass is better than home grown as the home grown stuff can't offer the same benefit as the field grown grass).
Lastly, let me say that the day I tried the Evergreen product my eyes started to itch and water (may have been an allergic reaction to something other than wheatgrass in the product). I'm not necessarily saying it was the Evergreen that did this but it was awful coincidental as this never happened to me before. I will be trying it again today to see if I get the same reaction.

jayofc · #80 05-15-2011, 09:32 PM

I use both, and to solve this problem each side has their product analyzed. Everyone
would love to see the results. Lets see exactly what's in and what's not. Let it show the percentages in a published report and then everyone can make up their own minds. The lab would take a ice cube tray and a tray of fresh and may the best wheatgrass win !!!!!!

Derek Stem · #81 05-16-2011, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayofc

I use both, and to solve this problem each side has their product analyzed. Everyone
would love to see the results. Lets see exactly what's in and what's not. Let it show the percentages in a published report and then everyone can make up their own minds. The lab would take a ice cube tray and a tray of fresh and may the best wheatgrass win !!!!!!

Hi jayofc,

That is a sensible approach with some limitations (we'll discuss below). Here is our testing:
http://www.dynamicgreens.com/nft.pdf

Unfortunately, testing results like these are not really reflecive of food value. The testing provided above is for labeling purposes or "Nutrition Facts Tables". This is affordably completed at about $800 for this standard batch of tests. The items measured in these tests are specifically chosen because they are relatively stable. The testing specifically avoids sensitive organics that can oxidize quickly because they do not assist in direct comparisons. If there are instabilities in the process, these items will survive while others may not.

You will also see that the testing is relatively incomplete. There are only 31 items in the standard testing; however, there are over 3,800 known phytonutrients. Standard testing reflects less than 1% of known nutrients.

The testing process itself also has fundamental flaws. When testing, you will find that there is no mass spectrometer testing like we see on television. It would be amazing to send the product to the lab and just say, please tell me everything that is in it. That is not how it works. When you submit product to a lab, you tell them what to look for. They used many different tools to produce results. Each test costs some between $100 (Vitamin D) and $700 (Vitamin K) to do. At $150 per test average, it would take $570,000 to test for everything. That said, there would still be countless unidentified contents, possibly critical to the success of the juice, that would not be measurable.

At the end of the day, the power of observation is very important. The other factor is really ensuring that you work with a trusted resource so you know exactly what you are getting.

Greenie · #82 07-11-2011, 01:09 AM

First of all no one on either side is a scientist that has actually experimented frozen wheatgrass juice in comparison to fresh wheatgrass juice. So no one really knows unless i missed something because Ive only read the first few years of this thread.

You guys are beating this guy up with flawed arguments. I just had to register and give my point of view. You say the juice is dead because its frozen? Really?? You give examples of fleshy things like meat, fruit, and veggies being not as good or dead after it has been frozen. Im sure if these fleshy things can be frozen correctly they can be grought back to life. Im pretty sure that if we can freeze HUMAN BEINGS and ORGANS and bring them back to life we can surely bring fruit, meat, n veggies back.

But see it gets even easier because we are NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT FLESH. We are talking about a LIQUID!!! Water is alive, it has energy, it is ALWAYS frozen and brought back to life. And yeah a lot of things are frozen in the winter but continues with life when the warm season comes and thaws it out AGAIN. For gods sake BLOOD is frozen and thawed! BLOOD!! Do you guys really think blood can be frozen and brought back to its original state but wheatgrass cant?? Seriously....

Now in reference to the aura/spirit/soul/energy of the juice after it has been frozen thats a totaly different subject and who's to say that that is not affected as soon as the grass is crushed and smeared.

I dont know, he dont jnow, and you dont know. But to say the juice is dead just because it has been frozen is not a very good argument.

gvrieling · #83 07-11-2011, 06:04 AM

I drank 20 ounces of my own fresh frozen daily for 3 years. Now I drink only juice that is minutes old. The difference I feel is like night and day , I'll never go back to frozen again if I can help it. I don't let my grass grow to full hight as after 5 or 6 days it begins to lose it's vitality just as freezing does to the juice (for me).

Derek Stem · #84 07-18-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvrieling

I drank 20 ounces of my own fresh frozen daily for 3 years. Now I drink only juice that is minutes old. The difference I feel is like night and day , I'll never go back to frozen again if I can help it. I don't let my grass grow to full hight as after 5 or 6 days it begins to lose it's vitality just as freezing does to the juice (for me).

Thanks for sharing your experience. Just a few comments...

The first requirement of making frozen juice is capturing the plant when it has optimal protein and chlorophyll levels. If you are not capturing the optimal plant, you can never make great juice. It sounds safe to assume that you are capturing an excellent plant because you are able to produce great results with it.

The second step is ensuring that once expressed from the plant, the juice is kept away from its natural enemies which are light, air and heat. I assume that you were not able to accomplish this as air would have multiple points of entry and the juice would have prolonged exposure as it froze. The loss of benefits also suggests this is a problem.

This seems like a case where professional intervention makes a big difference. We excel in both having an optimal plant and protecting the qualities of the juice. We have found the field grown plant to be excellent. We take this plant and juice in an atmosphere free environment then vacuum pack it and flash freeze it. By doing this, we maintain the juice as a potent raw and living food.

For your consideration, think about the response of an apple. You can have an apple sitting in the refrigerator for a month. When taken out of the refrigerator and sliced, it will be fresh, white, crisp and tasty. However, leave it sitting on the counter for a few minutes and it will become brown, mushy and the taste will change. In other words, once you expose the contents to the elements, it becomes highly volatile. It was perfectly protected in the peel and if you had not exposed it, it would have sat in the refrigerator in perfect condition for a long time. When we make juice, we "keep the peel on" by never exposing it to damaging conditions that cause degradation.

I will note that the discussion here is not blanket support for frozen wheatgrass juice. It is support for our wheatgrass juice which differs substantially from anything you can get anywhere else. We field grow the plant which avoids molds and makes the juice clean, tasty and highly tolerable. We also produce unpasteurized juice for optimal nutrition which is seldom done. Any product resold in a retail store is required to be pasteurized, pascalized or irradiated per the food safety laws of Bill S-510 and HACCP including all organic products.

To produce unpasteurized juice, we must only sell the juice direct to consumers. Many thanks to those that continue to support us at the farm.

rosetta · #85 07-26-2011, 03:23 AM

I need to know what are some different brands of apple juice that come in small glass bottles.

arromywrexy · #86 09-05-2011, 06:41 AM

FreetryDurb <a href=kuygkyudu.com>jufufduy</a> frerseLug

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

	Wheatgrass Juice Forum - Archive - Top
		Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8 Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. SEO by vBSEO 2.4.5