Frozen Wheatgrass Juice

Wheatgrass · #1 11-21-2006, 03:53 AM

I was at my local Whole Foods store strolling through the freezer section when next to the waffles I see FROZEN WHEATGRASS! I couldn't believe my eyes.

It came in little plastic shot cups but I thought it was the coolest idea.
Frozen wheatgrass is much better than dried wheatgrass, but I'm wondering how much better?

Wheatenergy · #2 11-21-2006, 02:17 PM

Ok the "frozen wheatgrass" is made in Canada. They have a real nice website with alot of hoop la and NEGATIVE information about TRAY GROWN wheatgrass. The "retired Minister" (the first man of theCloth that I have EVER heard of to "retire") has vidieo of him showing his operation.....and again telling people that DEAD food is the same...NO.....BETTER than Fresh grown wheatgrass! Ridiculous. His daughter and him claim the mold from tray grown grass causes all of the detox that occurs. NOTE: These people grew fresh wheatgrass for 7 YEARS in trays. Apparently it was time consuming and alot of work....So now they plant it in the fields.....cut it with machinery....juice it......FREEZE IT....and mention to people that the problem of diarrea...headaches....purging (throw up) or get sleepy do not happen with their FROZEN product. FRESH wheatgrass juice starts off by doing a DETOX....thenm going into more cleansing healing rejuvination....and finally a astute amount of ENERGY, stamina and focus. I to this day have not heard a word about ANYONE healing a cronic propblem with FROZEN wheatgrass....it is a dead food from freezing...and only SUPLIMENTAL. And a short cut to making MONEY quicker than planting trays each week and croping FRESH...VIBRANT...SPROUTED fresh wheatgrass. If you go to mold and wheatgrass (Cityfarmer.org) You can see the daughter pitch about their FROZEN product.
Rebuttal: And a Pathology report on mold from a tray of wheatgrass from when we first started growing about 9 years ago....A this point of time...with the water being purified and then filtered....and $10,000.oo worth of turbo fans...We virtuallty have little or NO mold here at our wheatgrass nursery. And the pathology report said the Mold was nothing to worry about. Acidic...full of heavy metals, radiation ,antibiotics or pain killers(barbituates)...and plenty of built up fecal matter in their colons WILL ALWAYS have detox problems when starting to drink FRESH wheatgrass juice......But then they get the POSITIVE effects and if they do they drill....FEEL better than when they were younger.

Remember you can BUY chlorophll from a shelve in a store that was produced perhaps 6 months ago...yuk! Or PURCHASE>>FROZEN wheatgrass juice that was harvested 6 months ago and then FROZEN.....or OBTAIN some Fresh wheatgrass that is younger and vibrant with EVERY thing you want from FRESH wheatgrass juice. DA! That has NOT ever been FROZEN....Freeze dried ---Powdered...and OVER processed by man.....to make big $$$$$. Or in the case of the"retired " MINISTER and his daughter ....To work less. You REAP what you sow. What is REAL? and What is NOT? Live or DEAD! FRESH or OLD? It's a no-brainer. Next......?

Derek Stem · #3 11-01-2008, 01:49 PM

There are many different reasons why frozen wheatgrass juice makes a lot of sense. We specifically believe that it needs to be grown outdoors and here are a few benefits of great outdoor grown wheatgrass juice which has been flash frozen:

Quality
Wheatgrass juice from outdoor grown plants develops a 6x deeper root system, grows in a slow natural timeline which is 10x longer, chlorophyll levels are 50% higher and simple sugars are non-existent.

Health Impact
Winter wheat is a natural, winter surviving plant due to ice structuring proteins in the plant. As a result, flash freezing it does no harm to the juice. Your very best verification method is to use any of the objective measures available to see how you are doing. This includes things like glucometers, blood pressure machines, tests from your doctor, etc. Even more exciting, do live blood cell analysis. When you do before and after live blood cell analysis, you will see massive internal changes like the unclumping of red blood cells. This is a great validation for anyone who does not have other objective measures that they can use.

Taste and Tolerability
Wheatgrass juice grown outdoors in the right region has no detectable molds. This makes the juice taste 1000% better and the juice produces non of the side-effects incorrectly characterized as "detoxification".

Convenience without Compromise
There are 3 main groups that find there way to wheatgrass juice. Performance athletes, the middle aged with a child or two (like me) and those with a serious health crisis. In all cases, time can be very hard to find. Generally, none of these three types of households are in a position to take on the additional stress of growing their own wheatgrass.

Immediate Availability
You can start with flash frozen juice like ours tomorrow morning as we UPS it overnight to your door. This can give you a considerable jumpstart. Very few people start growing and producing good wheatgrass right away. Even if you were to do this, you can't start using the juice for 10 days (the growing cycle of the tray growing wheatgrass).

Smaller Start-up Cost
Those wanting large amounts of wheatgrass juice require an expensive wheatgrass specific juicer in the $250 range. With juice like ours, you simply do not need this. For someone drinking a modest amount (say 1 fl. oz. per day), they can certainly get a less expensive manually operated juicer.

Reduced Continuing Use Cost
Flash frozen juice like ours costs less money, less time and less effort than sourcing the grass from other sources (like a local wheatgrass tray provider) and juicing it yourself. Naturally, if you are able to grow your own, you can save money but it does come at a time and energy cost.

Frozen Is Best For Northern Locations
Reduced sunlight in the winter months makes indoor growing difficult without supplimental lights. Wheatgrass just isn't the same without natural UV.

Frozen Is Best Solution For High Volume Drinkers And Families
Growing to add a small amount to your diet here and there is one thing. Anyone using larger amounts or a small amount for several family members will find growing to make several ounces available per day a much bigger task than expected.

So take advantage of the frozen medium. Whether you buy juice from us or grow your own, everyone can utilize freezing to help manage their juice. If you are growing indoors, you will have likely have somewhat reduced quality, taste and tolerability but perhaps beauty is in the eye of the beholder and this might be the best approach for you.

greengiant · #4 11-02-2008, 05:32 AM

first of i would like to ask mr stem why he never bothered answering my post regarding details of his production process, things like time elapsed between cutting in the field and finally interring in ice cubes, chemicals used to protect frrom pest, cleaning of cut grass etc, but he chose to ignore, basically what protocols his company adhere to in the production of his supplement. he was seemingly too busy claiming that he was replacing a fresh grass growers produce with his own supplement. i still haven't seen a post from him to back up these claims. so one must assume that his words are not gospel.

i wish to add the following in relation to his well typed post.

Health Impact.

your chlorophyll is 50% higher than fresh grown..... wheatgrass juice is 98% water 2% the rest. yes or no? chlorophyll is miniscule in reality, so 50% of a tiny tiny amount is still a tiny addition. the jury is still out on whether the human body can actually absorb or benefit directly from chlorophyll.
are you really so bold as to state that your FROZEN supplement does "massive internal changes like unclumping red blood cells". can you back that up and all because of its ice structuring proteins or so you say. BRAVE WORDS

by the way, your outdoor grown grass stopped being natural when you froze it.

Taste and ....

Tray grown grass freshly juiced is not the same as outdoor freshly juiced. but you sell ice cubes - not fresh. No one gets to drink your grass fresh from the field. as for the detox effect - i have gone through this stage and thankfully was never blinded by your profit driven propaganda. if i had come across your well writen tripe at that time, i most probably would have fell victim to your grossly inaccurate claims, and would ultimately not have reaped the rewards which followed the detox period. the mere fact that your supplement has no cleansing effects on the body makes me wonder if i'd be as well off taking a pill supplement.

Convenience....

it takes a few minutes to cut,rinse,juice, drink and clean the machine. no more time that it takes to boil the kettle. if that is one of your points - your digging deep. athletes spend a lot longer preparing their carefully balanced supplements each day. the sick must adhere to strict guidelines with medication.
How long does it take to DEFROST your dead supplement. and don't bother telling us about how wheatgrass can endure frosty conditions etc as you do not supply a rooted grass to people, you sell a frozen juice - know the difference.

Immediate availability.

Scraping the bottom of the barrell there. you'll pitch anything for a buck. I am happy knowing that when i juice my grass it is fresh. when was your ice cubes processed, but i guess we should assume your process is pristine. i've looked at your web site - full of half truths - thats for another post - but the thing that grabs you by the balls is the way way your main page is pushing your grass for sale. you're profit orientated not health.

smaller start up costs

your grass ain't cheap. price of plastic is high i guess. you throw a figure of $250 for a juicer to deter people. a manual juicer costs $50, electrics start at $150, but you choose not to inform people, flats of grass cost 12 euro in ireland, so i'll bold and say $20 in the U.S. - correct me if need be, but it only costs a fraction of this figure to grow it yourself.

You talk of high usage, but people should start on low usage and build upward, but you fail to state this to try to make a point. tut tut. some spokesman you are.

frozen is best in northern regions...

weather is shit here most of the time. grass still grows, yield is lower in winter but i can live with it. probably grows because of the ice structuring proteins or something. daylight from 8.30 till 4.30 seems to be enough for my grass, or they haven't complained.

You make a lot of claims which i don't believe you can back up with facts, and i'd welcome some input regarding your whole process with time scales (very important when we're talking of a living product) cleaning agents used in washing cut crop, pest control, quality control, etc etc.

and once again i'd like to say that FRESH outdoor grown grass is most probably better than tray grown in many ways, but there is a difference between freshly cut and juiced and consumed and a green ice cube which is now dead and god knows how old.

Derek Stem · #5 11-04-2008, 03:18 AM

Hi Greengiant,

I'm delighted to talk with you and congratulate you on your personal experience with wheatgrass juice. I also wish that you lived near Toronto rather than Dublin. We'd have you over to the farm, have a long chat and I think you would be thrilled with how, what and why we do the things we do.

Since we can't do that, let's address some of the questions you pose:

We engage in a full HACCP process and you can read more about what this means here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazard_...Control_Points

There are no chemicals whatsoever introduced in any part of our process. The water used to clean the wheatgrass itself is ozonated which you can Google this to learn more about it. This neutralizes any potential contaminates including things like ecoli or samonella using just oxygenated water. The elasped times of cutting to being flash frozen are incredibly short. The testing used to validate the quality comes from our spectrophotometer and the most important thing to do is ensure the juice does not oxidize. You can literally watch the nature of the juice change on the spectrophotometer and yes are very careful to ensure that no oxidation occurs.

In terms of results, you'll find a good bit of valuable information in Steve Meyerowitz's book Wheatgrass Nature's Finest Medicine. When you work with something like the juice commercially, one of the things that you need to know is the regulatory environment. Being in Ireland, you would have a different set of rules that you live by. For our company, we live by the standards set by the FDA and pending legislation in Canada called Bill C51. There is no question that wheatgrass makes major changes to the blood...helping us repair from the inside out. This fact is within the spirit and letter of the regulations set forth in Canada and the U.S. You can read a variety of experiences from our customers in the Meyerowitz book including many that we literally cannot talk about from a regulatory perspective.

I commend you for sticking with the wheatgrass juice in spite of the challenges you had with your own personal consumption. Many cannot pass through the trying time of having their body become conditioned to the toxins produced by the molds. For many, they can never achieve ongoing usage regardless of how dedicated they are...but they can with our juice. There is something else that I would like you to consider. When sickness enters a house, it can create an enormous amount of stress. In many cases, the house (and by this I mean the whole family) is not in a position to add a significant new responsibility like growing wheatgrass. Our family (and our company) has been able to provide tremendous assistance and we are absolutely thrilled to be a part of the benefits experienced by everyone involved.

I hope you keep in mind that we are both on the same side here. We love wheatgrass juice and what it does. We are certainly willing to share the best information that we have available. You say that we make many claims that are not backed up by facts; however, our posts are all documented and linked to relevant information sources.

Let's look at something a little different. You maintain that frozen wheatgrass juice is dead food. Why? If the process of freezing killed everything around us, our whole world would be killed by the winter and be a dead, brown place come spring. So why is it a dead food? Your references would be appreciated.

In terms of keeping the quality superb...that is a matter of understanding something called barrier protection and we'll keep that for another conversation.

Have a great day.

Wheatenergy · #6 11-04-2008, 02:20 PM

LIVE FOOD is FRESH....DEAD FOOD is always frozen.

If I die in a blizzard and FREEZE to DEATH????

IS there any CHANCE that I will come back and be alive again>>>>?

FRESH wheatgrass juice is the ONLY way to go...

Freeze -dried >>>>Powdered or FROZEN....

Are just ways of making BIG money.

greengiant · #7 11-04-2008, 05:13 PM

you should go into politics as you seem to be ever able to write large essays, yet always somehow answer very little. the live enzymes are known to die in three hours approx. these are the catalyst of wheatgrass, what makes it a living whole food as opposed to a supplement. i asked you for some form of timescale involved in your process, and not surprisingly the best you could come back with is not too long.
do you not know. maybe you're not a hands on kind of guy. i just can't see you cutting a crop, transporting it to your FACTORY, putting it through a rigirous wash cycle (with all the bugs and flies and bird shit that must call your grasss home). it must take time to put it through quality control also. then juice the entire crop, and finally process it into your little plastic bags and then freezing.

HOW LONG IN REAL TIME FROM START TO END.

my detox effects were due to my toxic system - not mold. i don't see how you you can diagnose. maybe it is based on the seven years that you sickened half of canada with your substandard, poorly grown wheatgrass. you said yourself on previous posts that your family were still sickened after seven years of consumption. that is almost too incredible to believe - unheard of in the rest of the world. you must have growing poison.

where do you get the reference to all things dying in the winter. i made no such comment - so don't pretend i did.

Unlike most people on this forum, your primary concern is selling your grass byproduct at the expense of fresh grass. your persistent negative unfounded comments are a dis service to the wheatgrass movement, which is trying to switch people to a healthier lifestyle. people spend a lot of their time imparting any knowledge they have to assist people in growing or sourcing premium grass.
this is done with health as a primary concern, with the exception of you, as you try to scare people into buying your SUPPLEMENT.

on another note. what customers of wheatenergy have made the swithch to your crap, or were you just lying as usual

Derek Stem · #8 11-06-2008, 11:44 AM

What I am trying to do is listen to you, especially as we disagree on a number of core issues. There is truth in what I express and I assume there is truth in your experience as well. The discussion isn't about winning, it is about expressing opinion, sharing experience and engaging in conversation.

Observations need to be noted and recorded because they form the backbone of discussion. It is merely speculation to assume the root cause of the observations. That is where science comes into play and within this scope we have discussion. Let's discuss:

Please support your position regarding live enzymes dying.
Please support your position regarding them being the catalysts of change.
Please support the claim of the detoxification process.
Please support your claim that freezing produces dead food.
Please support your claim that our juice made people sick for seven years. Actually, don't try as you will find that this does not pertain to us.

I can tell you our positions on these. We don't know why or how wheatgrass works. Each time we believe we understand it (i.e. the enzymes, the chlorophyll, 2 1/2 pound of leafy greens, etc.) someone else makes a compelling case that this is not true. This leaves us with our truism. That is, we don't know why but we know that it does. We also know that it does with our flash frozen juice and that in this format, it does without creating side effects for people.

In terms of your question regarding time, the juice to flash frozen process takes place in anywhere from 1 to 3 minutes with the juice exposed to air for a maximum of 10 seconds. That is one of the reasons why it is so good.

There is no big factory, we are a small family company brought to life from a grass roots surge in our neighborhood. I am intimately involved in making the juice and have been involved for many, many years. Our family proudly puts our name on what we do and we are thrilled by what our customers have been able to accomplish.

Wheatenergy · #9 11-06-2008, 04:25 PM

Nursery and pays me a visit....THEN I will believe that FROZEN PROCESSED SUPPLIMENTAL wheatgrass has a place here on this forum!

Remember that he he frozen.....WAITING to find a way to rejuvinate him back to LIFE!

Mr Stem...you are a GREEDY....idiot!

How come BOOSTER Juice of Canada does not SERVE yourt FROZEN juice?

INSTEAD they take the time to cut it FRESH right off the trays!

OK time for you to cut & paste somemore

Bullcrap about a FROZEN PROSESED ...

SUPPLIMENTAL make believe WHEATGRASS PRODUCT!

FRESH is BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Derek Stem · #10 11-06-2008, 08:28 PM

We want to protect people seeking excellent health and also protect this amazing food from developing a bad reputation. There are too many problems with the wheatgrass juice available to the general market and this just has to stop.

Please explain what you have learned from this experience and what choices you have made to protect your potential customers:

Post: http://www.ewheatgrass.com/wheatgras...924-post7.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheatenergy

I spoke at a Church function (health fair) years ago...and there were 2 pregnant women there....both drank the fresh wheatgrass juice...one did go to the bathroom and purge....the other did not.

These problems never, ever occur with our outdoor grown wheatgrass juice.

Wheatenergy · #11 11-07-2008, 04:01 AM

For you Mr. Flem to countinue to SPAM this FRESH wheatgrass website.

You are lazy and pathetic.

greengiant · #12 11-07-2008, 05:11 PM

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Wheatenergy · #13 11-07-2008, 06:52 PM

that is well worth reading...

When thisMR FLEM guy form the North Pole serves notice on me....a sucessful tray wheatgrass grower for the past 10 years....?

And he still contiues to SPAM his FROZEN PROCESSED SUPPLIMENTAL wheatgrass juice that is plainly not worth a poop....on this fresh wheatgrass website....well STUPID is as STUPID....DOES!

FRESH IS FRESH>>>>>>>frozen is frozen.....

A no brainer! Unless you are from Canada and are call Mr. Flem (alias Mr FREEZE)

greengiant · #14 11-08-2008, 05:48 AM

back to the time it takes to process aagain. i asked you how long it takes from cropping to freezing. i didn't expect you to give an honest answer. and you didn;t let me down. so it takes three minutes with less than ten seconds exposure to air. do you teleport it from the fields?

how many crops a year do you produce. i note that you have stated that the frost kills the mold etc, so would i be correct to assume you have one bumper crop? i assume you don't plant at othertimes of the year.

the reason i ask, is that you sell your ice cubes all year round. so i could be buying something that was frozen eleven months previous or longer if your sales are bad.
and then if i bulk buy, it could be in my freezer for another few months.

it sounds fresh doesn't it. what kind of life span does it have.

Derek Stem · #15 11-08-2008, 12:06 PM

The juice is only exposed to air for the moments that it drips from the juicers.

After this moment, it is never exposed to air again. If you need validation of the quality of the juice, please read Steve Meyerowitz's book Wheatgrass - Nature's Finest Medicine to get a better sense of what we do.

Beyond that, here is what you need to know. Our wheatgrass juice is absolutely exceptional, has no detectable molds and as a result is extremely well tolerated and suggested for all users. No one will ever experience the negative side effects so often associated with wheatgrass juice and incorrectly characterized as detoxing reactions.

Detoxification is a real and genuine experience some have during healing. Generally, this occurs as fats in the body break down and release substances that may have been trapped in the tissues for years. Detoxification does not occur within seconds of ingestion of a wheatgrass juice. This is in fact food poisoning caused by the ingestion of mold / fungi created mycotoxins.

Seek out great wheatgrass juice and you will have great experiences.

Wheatenergy · #16 11-08-2008, 01:37 PM

It has been a KNOWN FACT for decades that ONLY fresh wheatgrass juice can detox THE BODY. And then the REAL rejuvination and HEALING start to happen along with the energy!

THE MOLD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT MR. CUT & PASTE SAYS.....

I get the FEELING that when they turn the power off at the FROZEN SUPPLIMENTAL PROCESSED Wheatgrass factory SOON in Canada we will not be hearing the SPAM from Mr. Erick Flem anymore.

Then Mr. Flem will go back to selling DOGSHIT as chocolate!

FRESH is REAL....Mr. Flem KNOWS that ....but he made a BIG mistake investing alll his money into a FROZEN process that VERY FEW Gulable people try to believe in..

BECAUSE FROZEN DEFROSTED DEAD FOOD IS ....'

QUICK AND EASY!

So are hookers BUT most people stay away from them also!

KEEP spamming mr. dynamic freeze!...I love it....and how dumb you are to be on this particular forum.

FRESH RULES!....for decades.

Derek Stem · #17 11-08-2008, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wheatenergy

It has been a KNOWN FACT for decades that ONLY fresh wheatgrass juice can detox THE BODY. And then the REAL rejuvination and HEALING start to happen along with the energy!

This is the problem with you, everything you say is factually incorrect. These are the words of Ann Wigmore as published in "The Wheatgrass Book".

Quote:

...a healing crisis isn't inevitable or even desirable. Even if you could suffer your way to better health, it would hardly be worth the effort since you can achieve the same results while being good to your body. Why did the idea of the beneficial healing crisis arise? Deep down inside we tell ourselves that we must suffer to redeem ourselves from the wrong foods and lack of exercise in our past. Rubbish.

Many people have benefited from the wheatgrass fast, but, in all my years in the health fields, I have never seen the so-called healthing crisis occur as long as my instructions were followed in a common-sense way. For example, I recommend one to four ounces of wheatgrass juice, three times per day for three days.

So in the words of Ann Wigmore, rubbish. It is you sir that are attempting to rewrite history and it really is time to stop.

greengiant · #18 11-08-2008, 08:26 PM

i asked how long it takes from when you get out in the field to making your ice cubes. still three minutes?

i asked you also how old your frozen grass maybe before you ship it.

these shouldn't be too hard to answer, unless the honest truth would not be a good promotion of your operation. the silence speaks volumes.

your indemnity as posted recently speaks volumes for your faith in your product.

and stop referring us to other peoples writings to back up your product. make your own statements

Wheatenergy · #19 11-08-2008, 08:48 PM

Mr. Flem to post all the store in the Central Florida area that dropped my fresh premium wheatgrass and switched to his FROZEN PROCESSED SUPPLIMENTAL product.

REDICULOUS!

This man is a PARACITE trying to increase his cash flow because even the Canadians KNOW his FROZEN product just does not cut the mustard.

The only thing DYNAMIC about this guy is his BUTTHOLE....piching FROZEN JUICE .....

On a FRESH wheatgrass Forum

FRESH wheatgrass juice was around LONG before a FREEZER was ever invented.

GREEDY is as GREEDY does....time for you to cut and paste MORE Modern "science" information.

I was one of the first if not one of the few growers that got involved with this forum from the START.....

YOU Mr. Flem come along years later to slander the tray growers and FRESH wheatgrass years after over 6,000 people have come on board.

If you had a valid point....don't you think you would or could have made it by now...

NO ..Because you are a fool!

Hit the road////MR> FREEZE!

Derek Stem · #20 11-09-2008, 05:38 AM

Your questions are ones of quality and potency. Once you have read Wheatgrass - Nature's Finest Medicine which goes into a number of particularly interesting experiences including non-placebo effects then get back to me. You will have no question about the effectiveness of what we do.

The decisions made are all about which growing environment you support. Do you believe that a man-made potted plant environment trumps millions of years of natural evolution. I think JJ43 said it best when he said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jj43

Growing grass in a sprouting modality is about as manipulitive and as far away from mother natures way as it gets. Using soil augments from another country and growing the seed from another state many miles NORTH. Then growing them in a plastic container 24/7 all year long well now thats not natural at all. Wheat doesnt grow in florida unless its done in man-made = fake conditions which you have commplained about many times. Nutrient uptake from a growing modalities position is valid and is a true aspect of the agricultural sciences.

Post: http://www.ewheatgrass.com/wheatgras...41-post18.html

At the end of the day, you can choose a man-made indoor growing environment if you wish. However, to do so means choosing mold, seeing very unpleasant side effects and driving people away from wheatgrass juice that are genuinely interested in embracing it.

You can also choose natural growth with a great taste, no detectable molds and the only side effects being those of a terrific sense of well being and wonderful health outcomes. You read above a passage straight from Ann Wigmore's book which says "a healing crisis isn't inevitable or even desirable" and we agree.

Wheatenergy · #21 11-09-2008, 01:29 PM

Mr. Derek Stem fron an OBSCURE Frozen Processed Supplimental juice company in Canada says to>>>>

THROW away YOUR Fresh Wheatgrass JUICERS Today! RIGHT NOW!

Also Omega, Smasung, Sundance, Healthy Juicer, Tri Best , and every other brand should STOP producing their juicers because>>>>

Mr. Erick Stem says That his FROZEN Juice is BETTER than FRESH!

Although it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Frozen anything is NEVER going to be comparable to FRESH..

..PLEASE this man is having a hard time paying his bills and people just ARE NOT using his product..

.Heck it is easier to pop a wheatgrass tablet or stir up some wheatgrass powder than sit and watch his "old" juice DEFROST.

See Mr. FLEM I trieed to help you pitch your frozen crap today to help you.

I suggest you stand on a street corner somewhere in Canada and give away your FROZEN Juice!...Good Luck!

fresh WHEATGRASS JUICE (FOR DECADES) is a >>>>

Live Fresh Food!

And I am positive that Steve Meryowitz would AGREE!

Ever buy any of HIS frozen Sprouts.....Mr Flem.....??? Not.

Once again Mr FREEZE instead of spamming your product on a FRESH wheatgrass website as a potential suppliment....

You TRY to get everyone to turn in there juicers and stop growing fresh(God's gift)wheatgrass.....

YOU ARE PATHETIC!

Derek Stem · #22 11-09-2008, 08:36 PM

What I have said is that the methodology of growing indoors frequently produces moldy wheatgrass and therefore mold laden wheatgrass juice. I have said that the consumption of mold and the mycotoxins they release causes side effects. I have stated that the inexperienced among us call these effects "detoxification" when they should call these effects "food poisoning".

People can utilize this knowledge to be careful about what they consume. They should never suffer immediate side effects from drinking the juice like dizziness, nausea, headaches and vomiting. More important, those serious about growing can make adjustments to grow outdoors in whatever capacity they can. In your case, you can focus on growing in the cooler months in Florida which naturally inhibits some of the problems. In other cases, people can utilize their backyards or metropolitan shared gardening spaces to produce the best quality outdoor grown wheatgrass they can.

From this point, they can utilize their juicers and freeze the juice. The juice is naturally protected by ice structuring proteins and this gives them the nutrition and health benefits they seek without the molds and the side effects.

I understand that this is very difficult for you to embrace. Yes, I believe that the approach you are using needs modification. I also believe that you know this too. If you didn't, you would discuss rather than attack.

Steve Meyerowitz writes extensively about molds which is a common and well recognized problem. You can read more about the struggles growers have with mold in Steve Meyerowitz's book, Wheatgrass - Nature's Finest Medicine on pages 93-94, 98, 113, 115, 158-161, 163-173, 175-176, 197, 202, 210, 217.

Wheatenergy · #23 11-09-2008, 11:20 PM

First part of my way of thinking is that when you FREEZE any plant, fruit or veggie..

..The LIVE active enzines DIE..

..never to return back to life.

Anyone with a terrible toxic problem is going to purge(desease)....then the Healing and rejuvination take there place....resulting in Pure Natural ENERGY as the end result.

DREAMING is the only way that DynamicFROZEN wheatgrass juice could in anyway accomplish those four features of a FRESH LIVE wheatgrass juice.

PEOPLE here on this forum KNOW that taking a Sugar Capsule will do more for the body than FROZEN PROCESSED wheatgrass juice...for it is only SUPPLIMENTAL!

You are still PATHETIC....Mr. Flem...

PLEASE take A Hike already....and tray not to get FROST BITE!

greengiant · #24 11-10-2008, 02:16 AM

so now you say that inexperienced growers FREQUENTLY have mold. not ALWAYS as you try to make out. how can you sit in canada and pass judgements on all growers throughout the world without testing or seeing what they grow. i know you poisoned half of canada when you grew inferior cost cutting tray grass, as profit over health is your motto. but thats no reason to assume that other growers who love what they do, and who do it for a sustainable income, not getting rich, would ever turn out the poison you dished out on canada for seven years.

just saw your photo, and you don't like a glowing individual, maybe you'd look healthier if you cut out the fast food and started drinking fresh wheatgrass.

i have been reading into you a bit and googled you and followed the links. i have noticed you claiming to cure cancer on skeptoid.com but when challenged you never came back to defend yourself. you never come back when challenged. you are a very poor spokeswoman for wheatgrass, and should keep your comments to anyone who'll hear you in canada.

i better be careful in case you serve notice on me too. scary. and what three huge growers of fresh grass have stopped producing because of mold? can you back that up

you have also made brash statements on this site which you have been repeatadly asked to back up, but you never do, as you are full of shit sir. so stop hijacking every thread on this site with your negative input.

it must be cold on your head in the winter, do you wear wooly hats for the lack of hair.

greengiant · #25 11-10-2008, 02:20 AM

what three HUGE growers of fresh wheatgrass have just walked away from their operation because of mold. Give us details so we can check into it, or are you talking more shit, and what is huge to you - two pounds a week,, let me know

greengiant · #26 11-10-2008, 02:22 AM

i asked you about how many crops you have per year, and if your frozen grass could be in your freezer for eleven months before you sell it. |STILL WAITING FOR A REPLY

greengiant · #27 11-10-2008, 02:30 AM

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you sit and write off fresh grass, and talk very medically about mycotoxins, but you state in your disclaimer that you are not a medical or a health care professional, so should you be making statements of a medical nature. you completely admonish yourself of any duty of care for what you sell, but seem happy to knock what you don't sell.

WHERE DO YOU GET OFF

Derek Stem · #28 11-11-2008, 11:58 AM

Dear Greengiant,

We take the time to identify ourselves and make it clear about what we do and do not know. I think it important for someone to understand exactly who they are talking to and what their relative strengths and limitations are. Who are you?

I don't live in a world of absolutes because this does not promote learning. I live in a world of science, experience and opinion. If you want to state opposing science, opinion or experience that is just fine, I'll listen and you should too. We have an awful lot of experience and have offered some good advice about choosing a growing methodology. Choose to use it, choose not to...the choice is yours but everyone should have the benefit of the experience.

Our wheatgrass experience exists not because we have been blessed with superior genetics. Our experience exists because we have the same weaknesses and limitations as everyone else. We don't hide from our weaknesses, we embrace them and overcome them. Wheatgrass has been very helpful to us and to me personally.

It was my goal right from the start to add not only our experience but also the science to this forum. In our first 2 postings one was the science behind IBS and the other was experience as it related to allergic reactions. Both posts were factual, linked to supporting works and resulted in attacks from wheatenergy.

Similarly, you have spent so much time shouting that you forgot to listen. We have experiences in the tens of thousands and you managed to get nothing out of it. Terribly sad for everyone as conversationally, it has made it impossible to communicate much of the valuable information we possess. It is the ulitmate irony that your efforts to save the reputation of wheatgrass are to preserve the problems which make it such a niche product in the first place. This really is a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

If you really found what you are looking for, you would also find the peace associated with it. We've got it and I hope that you find it too.

greengiant · #29 11-11-2008, 04:06 PM

who am i? i am someone who has discovered and benefitted from taking FRESH wheatgrass juice for the last 11 years. i am someone who goes out and shouts to all that are willing to hear, of the miracle that is FRESH wheatgrass juice. i am someone who takes exception to someone who slams fresh wheatgrass juice at every chance, who hijacks every thread on this forum, whose opinions are driven by personal profit making. thats you by the way.

i am a small time grower who doesn't poison people in any way, who strives to produce quality wheatgrass which makes me no money, i barely break even,
my drive is that i am supplying something that is positive, and i am passionate about it.

i take exception to someone diagnosing me from the other side of the atlantic. someone who failed to grow fresh wheatgrass properly after seven years, which i can only assume is because you grew for profit from the start, and cut corners all along, as you cut corners with the facts.

i am someone who stands over what i produce, and don't indemnify myself from my grass, but still have the gall to berate all others.

i am someone who doesn't make claims that when challenged, refuse to back up.
you still have not answered many questions put toyou about your process. or wich of wheatenergys customers you have taken over.

i am someone who doesn't like anything about you.

Derek Stem · #30 11-11-2008, 08:52 PM

So, what is your name and what is the name of the company.

Surely you'll be pleased to identify yourself.

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